tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6128643220897267519.post5524765172751720763..comments2023-10-09T04:48:16.837-04:00Comments on whalertly: Dear Statehouse Protestors:Bargahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13267934390167096150noreply@blogger.comBlogger33125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6128643220897267519.post-82538512234287770192009-01-19T16:25:00.000-05:002009-01-19T16:25:00.000-05:00ander, I am going to be dropping this discussion n...ander, I am going to be dropping this discussion now<BR/><BR/>that said, please email me<BR/>whalertly2008@gmail.comWhalertlyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07813665460494699983noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6128643220897267519.post-25849045666820656362009-01-19T15:21:00.000-05:002009-01-19T15:21:00.000-05:00I think this picture sums it up nicely.http://www....I think this picture sums it up nicely.<BR/><BR/>http://www.palestinechronicle.com/uploads/1231128047gaza_massacre_sign_proteste_sign.jpgAnderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05094916709895149350noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6128643220897267519.post-61452512771672798452009-01-19T15:15:00.000-05:002009-01-19T15:15:00.000-05:00http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=vie...http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=WHI20090107&articleId=11675Anderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05094916709895149350noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6128643220897267519.post-33157457716204163812009-01-19T13:09:00.000-05:002009-01-19T13:09:00.000-05:00Maybe if you had even looked at the titles of what...Maybe if you had even looked at the titles of what I sent you.<BR/><BR/>-Israel spokesperson admits Israel broke the cease fire agreement<BR/>http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=SILJxPTqjAM<BR/><BR/>CNN confirmed this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YAhfDa0smsc<BR/><BR/>CNN confirmation again<BR/>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qEwzmJQD8eA<BR/><BR/>Gaza relief boat damaged in encounter with Israeli vessel<BR/><BR/>http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/meast/12/30/gaza.aid.boat/<BR/><BR/>Geopolitical Time Line: War, Natural Gas and Gaza's Marine Zone <BR/><BR/>http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=11787<BR/><BR/>War and Natural Gas: The Israeli Invasion and Gaza's Offshore Gas Fields<BR/><BR/>http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=11680<BR/><BR/>Gaza fishermen suffer Israeli navy harassment<BR/><BR/>http://imeu.net/news/article0015032.shtml<BR/><BR/><BR/>--And a bunch of people in texas for years have said they support peacefully leaving the country. That doesn't mean that we need to or should recognize them--<BR/><BR/>So we just should continue to not recognize the rights of palestinians?<BR/><BR/><BR/>Do you really not see that Israel is unwilling to sign the peace agreement? When the Palestinians and their representatives have been signing it for 30 years? All Israel had to do was sign the paper and grant them the same basic rights as their jewish neighbors. The same basic rights for all humans. <BR/><BR/><BR/>--You sure that I support us being involved?--<BR/><BR/>well you say israel would be wiped off the face of the earth if we weren't involved but apparently now you don't think we should be involved. I don't know, you tell me. <BR/><BR/>I don't know how a defenseless population with nothing more than rockets and mortars would wipe 8 million people off the face of the earth but thats a another matter.<BR/><BR/>--No, I merely realize that we are looking at two different views of polysci, internal vs. external balancing. They are mutually exclusive.--<BR/><BR/>It doesn't matter what view of political science you have to recognize the inequality, injustice, and human rights atrocity that is occurring and that has been occurring for 30 years. With every attempt to end it squandered by the US and Israel, only to have them turn around and continue. <BR/><BR/><BR/>--Arguably they have every right to. If Hamas just stopped, as they have in the past, Israel would release, as they have in the past--<BR/><BR/>maybe you don't understand what I mean by the term stranglehold. I mean randomly shelling population centers in the middle of the day when people are gathered. Restricting access of food and medicine shipments. Setting up more checkpoints with more intrusive searches. Would you be pissed if you had to sit in your car for 2 hours to leave your city limits and then be searched on the way in and out and if you didnt have your proper paperwork for anything you would be detained until you could present it?<BR/><BR/>And saying the point about them stopping in the past is especially wrong in this case since there is overwhelming evidence that Israel broke the ceasefire. <BR/><BR/>"Our political points of view differ in that you think killing people is justified and I don't."<BR/><BR/>--Wrong, but nice strawman--<BR/><BR/>Well then you need to clarify. You defend Israel's right to do so and by saying they have a right to do so is a justification for killing people.Anderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05094916709895149350noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6128643220897267519.post-82041014507302273302009-01-19T09:38:00.000-05:002009-01-19T09:38:00.000-05:00"I bet you have no idea what happened in Gaza the ..."I bet you have no idea what happened in Gaza the two months leading up to this. Israel has been attacking fishing boats and limiting their fishing space. They reinstated a blockade. This violated the last cease fire agreement and is an act of war under international law."<BR/><BR/>--Source please. Last I checked, there was a cease fire, and then Israel noticed that members of Hamas were tunneling under their shared border.--<BR/><BR/><BR/>"They are finding every excuse to increase their stranglehold on those people."<BR/><BR/>--Arguably they have every right to. If Hamas just stopped, as they have in the past, Israel would release, as they have in the past--<BR/><BR/><BR/>"haha yeah lets just drop it like it doesn't exist. You're listening to a bunch of propaganda that has no bearing on reality."<BR/><BR/>--No, I merely realize that we are looking at two different views of polysci, internal vs. external balancing. They are mutually exclusive.--<BR/><BR/><BR/>""I believe that this is internal affairs and that no outside group should step in. You believe that one should." Yet you are all for 100% of our involvement in it. We are totally involved in this."<BR/><BR/>--You sure that I support us being involved?--<BR/><BR/><BR/>"How would they be destroyed? Are you ignoring the fact that Hamas and the Palestinians have AGREED TO THE TWO STATE SOLUTION AND HAVE AGREED ON RESOLUTION AFTER RESOLUTION FOR OVER 30 YEARS? Why hasn't it happened? Because of the United States and Israel blocking it. I blame the US for aiding a terrorist state and blame Israel of committing the terrorist acts."<BR/><BR/>--And a bunch of people in texas for years have said they support peacefully leaving the country. That doesn't mean that we need to or should recognize them--<BR/><BR/><BR/>"And what's your justification for destruction of UN hospitals and regular ones for that matter? Limiting the Red Cross' access and not allowing journalists into the territory?"<BR/><BR/>--I find this to be wrong--<BR/><BR/><BR/>"Our political points of view differ in that you think killing people is justified and I don't."<BR/><BR/>--Wrong, but nice strawman--Whalertlyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07813665460494699983noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6128643220897267519.post-80283565867541182742009-01-19T01:47:00.000-05:002009-01-19T01:47:00.000-05:00hamas has long called for a two state solution but...hamas has long called for a two state solution but is committed to destroying Israel so long as Israel keeps squandering it and resorting to violence and force as acceptable means of resolution.Anderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05094916709895149350noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6128643220897267519.post-15943391501761999092009-01-19T00:50:00.000-05:002009-01-19T00:50:00.000-05:00Israel's excuse for blocking aid shipments to Gaza...Israel's excuse for blocking aid shipments to Gaza, We need to honor the holy days.Anderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05094916709895149350noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6128643220897267519.post-85556073335597739782009-01-19T00:46:00.000-05:002009-01-19T00:46:00.000-05:00I didn't say he was wrong. It's so insignificant i...I didn't say he was wrong. It's so insignificant it's moot. It's a pine needle on a tree on a mountain of information. <BR/><BR/>I bet you have no idea what happened in Gaza the two months leading up to this. Israel has been attacking fishing boats and limiting their fishing space. They reinstated a blockade. This violated the last cease fire agreement and is an act of war under international law. <BR/><BR/>They are finding every excuse to increase their stranglehold on those people. <BR/><BR/>you have two points of view and don't even realize it. <BR/><BR/><BR/>haha yeah lets just drop it like it doesn't exist. You're listening to a bunch of propaganda that has no bearing on reality. <BR/> <BR/>"I believe that this is internal affairs and that no outside group should step in. You believe that one should." Yet you are all for 100% of our involvement in it. We are totally involved in this.<BR/><BR/>"Neither we nor the UN have a right to tell Israel what or what not to do. Sure, we could stop sending them shipments, but then they would be destroyed. Hamas is just as responsible for this as Israel (they keep firing back and forth)." <BR/><BR/>How would they be destroyed? Are you ignoring the fact that Hamas and the Palestinians have AGREED TO THE TWO STATE SOLUTION AND HAVE AGREED ON RESOLUTION AFTER RESOLUTION FOR OVER 30 YEARS? Why hasn't it happened? Because of the United States and Israel blocking it. I blame the US for aiding a terrorist state and blame Israel of committing the terrorist acts. <BR/><BR/><BR/>And what's your justification for destruction of UN hospitals and regular ones for that matter? Limiting the Red Cross' access and not allowing journalists into the territory? <BR/><BR/>Our political points of view differ in that you think killing people is justified and I don't.Anderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05094916709895149350noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6128643220897267519.post-51062971782671856852009-01-18T22:38:00.000-05:002009-01-18T22:38:00.000-05:00Ander, Pete is rightalso, on a side note, the UN h...Ander, Pete is right<BR/>also, on a side note, the UN has no jurisdiction, neither do we, and i keep thinking that we need to drop it as we are arguing from two different polysci viewpointsBargahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13267934390167096150noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6128643220897267519.post-19453667408559408622009-01-18T22:02:00.000-05:002009-01-18T22:02:00.000-05:00I can't believe you're saying that them texting pe...I can't believe you're saying that them texting people is their display of abiding by international law. They may text them and warn them but then they drop an illegal white phosphorus bomb right behind them. and what about the people who dont get texting?Anderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05094916709895149350noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6128643220897267519.post-1791016545752153292009-01-18T21:55:00.000-05:002009-01-18T21:55:00.000-05:00Ok so one man was a teacher and apart of Hamas, so...Ok so one man was a teacher and apart of Hamas, so that justifies the killing of 30 other teachers and destorying the university and killing people on the street?Anderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05094916709895149350noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6128643220897267519.post-66045259604661512762009-01-18T21:53:00.000-05:002009-01-18T21:53:00.000-05:00This woman actually says that killing people helps...This woman actually says that killing people helps the peace process.Anderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05094916709895149350noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6128643220897267519.post-59128006495740366492009-01-18T21:52:00.000-05:002009-01-18T21:52:00.000-05:00http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bnLyDOjfusQhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bnLyDOjfusQAnderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05094916709895149350noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6128643220897267519.post-82139704175918713912009-01-18T21:49:00.000-05:002009-01-18T21:49:00.000-05:00above and beyond international law?!@# that is the...above and beyond international law?!@# that is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard. Stop listening to warmongering propaganda.Anderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05094916709895149350noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6128643220897267519.post-16762964515030679452009-01-18T21:46:00.000-05:002009-01-18T21:46:00.000-05:00Pictures and videos of reality-Video on day 9 of s...Pictures and videos of reality<BR/><BR/>-Video on day 9 of shelling, whole families obliterated<BR/>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TpKhxocn_EE<BR/><BR/>-Norwegian doctor report from Gaza<BR/>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ev6ojm62qwA<BR/><BR/>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vYKmA_o4lAE<BR/><BR/>-Israel shelled UN school compound killing 40 people<BR/>http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=NvOZ301vbEs<BR/><BR/>-Father loses his parents, four children and other members of his family after the Israelis gather neighbors in one house and then shell it <BR/>http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=mLEEEKCpSJ0<BR/><BR/>http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=Axy1cMWUxkg<BR/><BR/>-Another father who lost three children speaks in Hebrew to Ehud Barak<BR/>http://sabbah.biz/mt/archives/2009/01/06/to-israel-with-love/<BR/><BR/>-Video: the world lost its conscience?<BR/>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YHYjpOhcB2k<BR/><BR/>-Israel experimenting on civilians with new types of weapons:<BR/>http://fr.youtube.com/watch?v=oyFnE2Z5bpk<BR/><BR/>-Norwegian Dr. Mads Gilbert testimony in Gaza<BR/>http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/munitions/dime.htm<BR/><BR/>-Use of white phosphorus over Gaza http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVY4NUKowzg<BR/><BR/>-Direct reports from Gaza by an International in Gaza: http://ingaza.wordpress.com/<BR/><BR/>-A haunting photo montage http://sabbah.biz/mt/archives/2009/01/16/war-on-gaza-surat-al-rahman/<BR/><BR/>-UK Telegraph Newspaper: "They said that after the Israeli army first took the town on Saturday night soldiers had ordered about 100 members of the clan to gather in a single house owned by Wael Samouni around dawn on Sunday. At 6.35am on Monday the house was repeatedly shelled with appalling loss of civilian life [killing 70]<BR/>http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/israel/4162193/Gaza-medics-describe-horror-of-strike-which-killed-70.html<BR/><BR/><BR/>Facts on Gaza not well known<BR/><BR/>-Factsheet on Gaza<BR/>http://www.endtheoccupation.org/downloads/gaza_us_weapons.pdf<BR/><BR/><BR/>-Israel spokesperson admits Israel broke the cease fire agreement<BR/>http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=SILJxPTqjAM<BR/><BR/>CNN confirmed this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YAhfDa0smsc<BR/><BR/><BR/>-Israeli Committee Against Home Demolitions “reframing” Gaza<BR/>http://icahd.org/eng/news.asp?menu=5&submenu=1&item=655<BR/><BR/><BR/>-Gaza Website http://gazasiege.org<BR/><BR/> <BR/>-Vanity Fair reported in April last year: “After failing to anticipate Hamas’s victory over Fatah in the 2006 Palestinian election, the White House cooked up yet another scandalously covert and self-defeating Middle East debacle: part Iran-contra, part Bay of Pigs. With confidential documents, corroborated by outraged former and current U.S. officials, the author reveals how President Bush, Condoleezza Rice, and Deputy National-Security Adviser Elliott Abrams [Zionist] backed an armed force under Fatah strongman Muhammad Dahlan, touching off a bloody civil war in Gaza and leaving Hamas stronger than ever.”<BR/>http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2008/04/gaza200804<BR/><BR/><BR/>-An inside story of how the US magnified Palestinian suffering. The covert push to empower Fatah failed. And isolating Hamas just made things worse. But it's not too late to change course.<BR/>http://www.csmonitor.com/2009/0112/p09s01-coop.html<BR/><BR/><BR/>- Gaza invasion: Powered by the U.S.: Taxpayers are spending over $1 billion to send refined fuel to the Israeli military -- at a time when Israel doesn't need it and America does.<BR/>http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2009/01/16/gaza_invasion/index.html<BR/><BR/><BR/>- Still breathing, a report from Gaza by Caoimhe Butterly<BR/>http://www.maannews.net/en/index.php?opr=ShowDetails&ID=35030<BR/><BR/><BR/>- Sderot Residents Contradict Israeli Government Propaganda<BR/>http://www.thepeoplesvoice.org/TPV3/Voices.php/2009/01/15/500-citizens-of-sderot-contradict-the-is<BR/><BR/><BR/>DECLARATIONS<BR/><BR/>UN High commissioner for Human Rights report on Gaza (Rauthor Richard Falk is himself Jewish)<BR/>http://gazasiege.org/docs/gaza_crisis_08/GazaCrisis_UN_Falk_Pressrelease_12_27_08.pdf<BR/><BR/><BR/>Red Cross: Israel breaking Int'l law, letting children starve in Gaza<BR/>http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1053877.html<BR/><BR/><BR/>International Federation of Red Cross and Red Crescent Societies said that the situation in Gaza was "completely and utterly unacceptable based on every known standard of international law and universal humanitarian principles and values.<BR/>http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5gjiqWO2pxDjmb0u29sn4O5e8LC0w<BR/><BR/><BR/>Israeli Human Rights groups: Clear and present danger to the lives and well-being of tens of thousands of civilians: An Israeli Call For Urgent Humanitarian Action In Gaza<BR/>http://www.btselem.org/English/Press_Releases/20090114.asp<BR/><BR/><BR/>Human Rights Watch demands Israel stop using White Phosphorus incendiary shells on civilian populations<BR/>http://www.hrw.org/en/news/2009/01/10/israel-stop-unlawful-use-white-phosphorus-gaza<BR/><BR/><BR/>World Health Organization condemns Israeli attacks on hospitals<BR/>http://www.who.int/mediacentre/news/statements/2009/Gaza-health-20090115/en/index.html<BR/><BR/><BR/>Journalists group condemns strike on Gaza media<BR/>http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090115/ap_on_re_mi_ea/ml_israel_gaza_media_1<BR/><BR/><BR/>The Press Emblem Campaign (PEC) and the International Covenant for the Protection of Journalists (ICPJ) condemn shelling of building hosting media offices. http://www.mediacovenant.org/<BR/><BR/><BR/>British Academics Call for Boycotts, Divestments, and Sanctions<BR/>http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/jan/16/gaza-israel-petitions<BR/><BR/><BR/>Gush Shalom, Israel Peace Block, January 7, 2009: “The government dooms a whole generation of young Israelis to become, quite literally, war criminals”<BR/><BR/>Analysis<BR/><BR/>- Video:Israeli speaks to the BBC and asks Obama to change (instead of being a "slave" of the lobby) http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=rfnPjzOGB5s<BR/><BR/><BR/>- A 14 year old in Gaza asks on question: why?<BR/>http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2009/01/11/a_14_year_old_in_gaza_has_one_question_why/<BR/><BR/><BR/>- Bob Simon, a life-long Zionist interviewed by Charlie Rose lets out the facts<BR/>http://www.charlierose.com/view/interview/9900<BR/><BR/><BR/>- The Israeli Human Shield<BR/>http://www.palestineremembered.com/Articles/General/Story12098.html<BR/><BR/><BR/>- Zionist FAQs<BR/>http://www.palestineremembered.com/ZionistFAQ.html#Relevant<BR/><BR/><BR/>- Rethinking Zionism<BR/>http://www.huffingtonpost.com/philip-weiss/rethinking-zionism_b_156955.htm<BR/><BR/><BR/>- Norman Finkelstein on Gaza<BR/>http://www.counterpunch.org/finkelstein01132009.html<BR/><BR/> <BR/>- The Gaza Ghetto Uprising January 20 The Star Newspaper<BR/>http://star.com.jo/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=14276&Itemid=57<BR/><BR/><BR/>- The humiliation of America<BR/>http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article21755.htm<BR/><BR/><BR/>- Documentary: John Pilger’s “Palestine is Still the issue”<BR/>http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article21692.htm<BR/><BR/><BR/>25 Actions to do<BR/>http://www.pcr.ps/activities/actions-gaza.htm<BR/><BR/><BR/>Mazin Qumsiyeh, PhD<BR/>http://qumsiyeh.org<BR/><BR/>http://www.pcr.psAnderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05094916709895149350noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6128643220897267519.post-17652045227916013322009-01-18T21:32:00.000-05:002009-01-18T21:32:00.000-05:00http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHhs9ihSmbU&fea...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHhs9ihSmbU&feature=channel_page<BR/><BR/>Ander, Israel has been going above and beyond what International Law says by texting warings to the neighbors of targets. Check out the IDF channel on youtube to see Hamas's Laws of War violations. Israel is fighting against a force whose political platform calls for the destruction of Israel and the massacre of jews. On the subject of teachers, Hamas's head rocketry guy had a day job teaching science at the UN school.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6128643220897267519.post-61555866063168647342009-01-18T17:01:00.000-05:002009-01-18T17:01:00.000-05:00http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bnLyDOjfusQhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bnLyDOjfusQAnderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05094916709895149350noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6128643220897267519.post-59116400268911446112009-01-18T13:40:00.000-05:002009-01-18T13:40:00.000-05:00then why is Israel allowed to enter the halls of t...then why is Israel allowed to enter the halls of the UN?<BR/><BR/>And you're right, we can't tell them what to do but we are giving them an option. to either stop their military offensive on a defenseless population or continue to kill hundreds of people and wound thousands more while destroying everything people have. <BR/><BR/>And what did Israel choose? to continue to murder people against, at the very least, the pleas of the palestinians, against the pleas of the "international community" and finally against the rulings of international law and its enforcement apparatus, that they themselves pay lip service to constantly and help develop. <BR/><BR/>All with US support and backing. <BR/><BR/>All of their guns were gifts. From us. We support illegal atrocities that could be prevented if simply stopped supplying them. We do it all over the world. We claim to have so much responsibility in the world to maintain peace and stability because "WE'RE NUMBER ONE" yet when it comes time to do that and pull the plug on our weapons shipments, we just keep sending guns everywhere because "it's in our interest."<BR/><BR/> If Israel wants to choose to murder innocent people they can do it without our support. They are big kids. It's been 60 years. <BR/><BR/>and yes ethnic was the wrong word to use. <BR/><BR/><BR/>People can't just do whatever they want because they believe it to be true. Isn't this what the Zionists were trying to escape from in Germany? <BR/><BR/>What your saying is that Israel is a sovereign nation that has a right to self determination and can do whatever it pleases according to what it stands for and believes in and can accomplish that by any means at their disposal. Even if that means killing thousands of innocent people.<BR/><BR/>The ends justify the means.<BR/><BR/>Do you understand doctors are afraid to raise white flags for help with victims because the IDF is shooting at innocent people?<BR/><BR/>They bombed a teachers association today. What's your excuse for that? They were filling the minds of young people with terrorist thoughts so we must just kill them all?<BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sUh6xVlndhMAnderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05094916709895149350noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6128643220897267519.post-40731806250435202042009-01-17T09:17:00.000-05:002009-01-17T09:17:00.000-05:00Neither we nor the UN have a right to tell Israel ...Neither we nor the UN have a right to tell Israel what or what not to do. Sure, we could stop sending them shipments, but then they would be destroyed. Hamas is just as responsible for this as Israel (they keep firing back and forth).<BR/><BR/>When did the palistinians become an ethnic group?<BR/><BR/>If you blame the person using the gun, then how can you blame the US?Whalertlyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07813665460494699983noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6128643220897267519.post-49854007564280258202009-01-16T18:29:00.000-05:002009-01-16T18:29:00.000-05:00http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-rCBJjCiLGchttp://w...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-rCBJjCiLGc<BR/><BR/><BR/>http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/jan/16/phosphorus-bombs-video-israel-gaza<BR/><BR/>http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=BAN20090115&articleId=11805<BR/><BR/>http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=82434&sectionid=351020203<BR/><BR/>http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=82510&sectionid=351020203Anderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05094916709895149350noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6128643220897267519.post-89166966480492576872009-01-16T13:22:00.000-05:002009-01-16T13:22:00.000-05:00you're original point was that we can't do anythin...you're original point was that we can't do anything about what Israel is doing the Palestinians. My point is we can do something about it because all the weapons they use are gifts from us and we vote no on every resolution in the UN.Anderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05094916709895149350noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6128643220897267519.post-9703882374108891332009-01-16T13:18:00.000-05:002009-01-16T13:18:00.000-05:00No I blame the people shooting the guns for the ki...No I blame the people shooting the guns for the killing. I blame us for aiding an atrocity which is just as bad. They are exterminating an ethnic group with our support. It's illegal and the whole world wants it to stop. A cease fire was negotiated. 14 out of 15 countries wanted it, and again, the US squandered it in the UN and sent Israel more weapons. We know exactly what those weapons are going to be used for and we keep supplying them. If Israel wants to commit genocide then they can setup their own gun manufacturers and produce their own killing devices. For us to spend literally billions of our tax dollars on supporting a slaughter is insane. Why don't we send the people of palestine food and medicine with that billions? why don't we send israel flowers and food with that money? Why send killing machines?Anderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05094916709895149350noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6128643220897267519.post-38443325740158931882009-01-16T08:07:00.000-05:002009-01-16T08:07:00.000-05:00Do you blame the gun makers if the gun kills someb...Do you blame the gun makers if the gun kills somebody?<BR/>We are externally balancing ourselves, they are internally balancingBargahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13267934390167096150noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6128643220897267519.post-11897553081212791972009-01-16T03:27:00.000-05:002009-01-16T03:27:00.000-05:00we are directly supporting and aiding the slaughte...we are directly supporting and aiding the slaughter of thousands of people and absolutely have a choice in the matter.Anderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05094916709895149350noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6128643220897267519.post-26658232659159476032009-01-16T03:26:00.000-05:002009-01-16T03:26:00.000-05:00if no outside group should have involvement why do...if no outside group should have involvement why do you support our arming of Israel and the billions we give them every year?Anderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05094916709895149350noreply@blogger.com