tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6128643220897267519.post3025079643825708329..comments2023-10-09T04:48:16.837-04:00Comments on whalertly: Come on OSU USG, do your jobBargahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13267934390167096150noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6128643220897267519.post-84845122731213275532009-03-12T05:30:00.000-04:002009-03-12T05:30:00.000-04:00The language cited in that trustee's meeting says ...The language cited in that trustee's meeting says that the trustees approved a working group's recommendation. It doesn't seem like that actually was board of trustees...voting for the actual transition.Kadimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04341840022248976546noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6128643220897267519.post-69960154588841203362009-03-11T23:15:00.000-04:002009-03-11T23:15:00.000-04:00You should start using your name, so we know which...You should start using your name, so we know which is which...<BR/><BR/>"Additionally, Kadim, the University of Cincinnati Board of Trustees has approved their conversion. http://www.uc.edu/trustees/documents/Trustees_Minutes/SummActions11.18.08.pdf is a copy of the Trustee minutes."<BR/>--Who care what the board says, that is not the students or their faculty... that is only their admin--<BR/><BR/>"Also, Otterbein is a private school but has a large transfer population to OSU. They will convert by 2011."<BR/>--So we should say that we vote on it in 202, get a proposal, and watch what happens. Usually in expirements we like to test it controlled first, diving in like we are all doing is not safe--Bargahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13267934390167096150noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6128643220897267519.post-8536804466921518532009-03-11T20:07:00.000-04:002009-03-11T20:07:00.000-04:00Earlier when I said that minimesters was the last ...Earlier when I said that minimesters was the last opportunity to vote, I meant that it was an extra opportunity to get that last GEC sequence course in before the official conversion. <BR/><BR/>Additionally, Kadim, the University of Cincinnati Board of Trustees has approved their conversion. http://www.uc.edu/trustees/documents/Trustees_Minutes/SummActions11.18.08.pdf is a copy of the Trustee minutes. <BR/><BR/>http://www.wright.edu/admin/senate/senmin/<BR/>The Faculty Council of Wright State has passed their conversion (I'm not sure what additional steps their process has). <BR/><BR/>Also, Otterbein is a private school but has a large transfer population to OSU. They will convert by 2011.<BR/><BR/>Again, this statewide move doesn't necessarily mean that OSU should switch too. It just explains why the argument is whether we should switch to semesters, not whether all other schools should switch back to quarters.<BR/><BR/>Also, in agreement with the other Anonymous, USG isn't to blame for the proposal. The proposal was initiated by the administration and approved through Faculty Council. We haven't taken a stand via a resolution yet, because as representatives of students we should be allowed to vote for what's best for our constituency rather than being forced by a senate bill to all vote one way or another. <BR/> After tomorrow you can argue whether or not we did a bad job in voting for your interests, but don't insult us just yet.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6128643220897267519.post-60709107428592763032009-03-11T18:55:00.000-04:002009-03-11T18:55:00.000-04:00I am in USG too, but agree with the positions take...I am in USG too, but agree with the positions taken by Whalertly. USG has the job to protect us, and they should step upBargahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13267934390167096150noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6128643220897267519.post-75926036538667466872009-03-11T15:05:00.000-04:002009-03-11T15:05:00.000-04:00This is NOT USG's fault and USG has not taken an o...This is NOT USG's fault and USG has not taken an official stance in support of this proposal. This proposal has been initiated by the administration and faculty.<BR/>As someone in USG who's opposed to the switch and intends to vote against it, don't blame USG.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6128643220897267519.post-1286721123416863472009-03-11T07:46:00.000-04:002009-03-11T07:46:00.000-04:00@Anonymous"So, a lot of that money figure is going...@Anonymous<BR/><BR/>"So, a lot of that money figure is going toward advising (it will be drilled into students' heads to finish the chem series now, or start it later)."<BR/>--What about those who fail, or for whom unseen consequences happen? Additionally, why should it come out of our pockets, it is mandated by the state, make them pay--<BR/><BR/>"In addition the first minimester will be a great opportunity for them to teach Math 152, and Physics 133, etc. for the last time so students have yet another chance to vote."<BR/>--how is that another chance to vote? These minimesters make no logical sense to me, as they are simply compressed classes that OSU seemed to tack on simply to keep the same year based sched. that they have--<BR/><BR/>"Also, the other three quarter schools already voted to switch to semesters,"<BR/>--actually, only one has Okayed it, and they are having a fight with the students now--<BR/><BR/>"and many other schools transferred over within the last decade."<BR/>--I have links to horror stories about this if you want them--<BR/><BR/>"It's only natural for them to focus on us at OSU, asking us to follow in the footsteps of the other schools."<BR/>--Not really, there is no logical reason to keep them all together, and we are not a logical follower. That said, the plan even says we are the leader, so this part doesnt fit--<BR/><BR/>"The University Senate vote is that democratic process you asked for."<BR/>--No offense, but it isnt. What, 5000 people votes last year? I didn't even know about it until there was an issue with the presidency, IT WAS NEVER TOLD TO STUDENTS. none of my friends got a chance to vote or anything like that. It is like saying an election with an unknown and unpublished election date is a democracy--<BR/><BR/>"It's 70 faculty, 26 administrators, 26 undergraduates, 10 graduates, 5 professional students, who were all elected to their positions (except for the administrators, who were vetted by students and faculty, so there's still a checks-and-balance system)."<BR/>--That isn't what I want. I want the students who will be affected to have a full say, do a survey of us--<BR/><BR/>"In this democratic process, the university will decide the next step to take, be it staying with quarters or converting to semesters."<BR/>--It actually looks as though the university has no say what-so-ever in this--Whalertlyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07813665460494699983noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6128643220897267519.post-69460525235213176102009-03-11T00:24:00.000-04:002009-03-11T00:24:00.000-04:00So, a lot of that money figure is going toward adv...So, a lot of that money figure is going toward advising (it will be drilled into students' heads to finish the chem series now, or start it later). In addition the first minimester will be a great opportunity for them to teach Math 152, and Physics 133, etc. for the last time so students have yet another chance to vote. <BR/><BR/>Also, the other three quarter schools already voted to switch to semesters, and many other schools transferred over within the last decade. It's only natural for them to focus on us at OSU, asking us to follow in the footsteps of the other schools.<BR/><BR/>The University Senate vote is that democratic process you asked for. It's 70 faculty, 26 administrators, 26 undergraduates, 10 graduates, 5 professional students, who were all elected to their positions (except for the administrators, who were vetted by students and faculty, so there's still a checks-and-balance system).<BR/>In this democratic process, the university will decide the next step to take, be it staying with quarters or converting to semesters.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com