tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6128643220897267519.post1020271445090708138..comments2023-10-09T04:48:16.837-04:00Comments on whalertly: The War on....Pirates!Bargahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13267934390167096150noreply@blogger.comBlogger27125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6128643220897267519.post-15728775491411206592009-05-01T12:58:00.000-04:002009-05-01T12:58:00.000-04:00If this society is what their thinking led to, the...If this society is what their thinking led to, their writing is probably better used as toilet paper.Anderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05094916709895149350noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6128643220897267519.post-56470076375273760022009-05-01T12:56:00.000-04:002009-05-01T12:56:00.000-04:00I am not saying don't read them. I am saying they ...I am not saying don't read them. I am saying they are not the only thing you should read especially since they both prove my point and social contract theory has proven itself to be completely invalid. The theory destroys itself pretty quickly. <br /><br />According to Hobbes, society is a population beneath a sovereign authority, to whom all individuals in that society cede their natural rights for the sake of protection. Any abuses of power by this authority are to be accepted as the price of peace. However, he also states that in severe cases of abuse, rebellion is expected. In particular, the doctrine of separation of powers is rejected the sovereign must control civil, military, judicial and ecclesiastical powers.<br /><br />So you want to listen to a guy who sets out by stating that one group gets to sit above the rest, creating social inequity. Also believes that rebellion is expected, you really want to live in such an unstable system? Hobbes says this is all necessary to avoid conflict and fighting yet this country has never been more polarized and not only is our government killing thousands and displacing more, but people all over the world are killing each other. Most fighting for the oppourtunity to sit at the top, above the society. <br /><br />I'll get to Locke later and then I will post how social contract theory destroys its own argument.Anderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05094916709895149350noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6128643220897267519.post-71292201828087569362009-05-01T10:05:00.000-04:002009-05-01T10:05:00.000-04:00they are the basis for our country so why should i...they are the basis for our country so why should i not read them?Bargahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13267934390167096150noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6128643220897267519.post-76772225829301886232009-05-01T01:04:00.000-04:002009-05-01T01:04:00.000-04:00How about you read something other than Locke and ...How about you read something other than Locke and Hobbes since it seems to be all you read.Anderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05094916709895149350noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6128643220897267519.post-49227750404553376252009-05-01T01:03:00.000-04:002009-05-01T01:03:00.000-04:00history?history?Anderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05094916709895149350noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6128643220897267519.post-6050385636324320622009-04-30T18:45:00.000-04:002009-04-30T18:45:00.000-04:00slippery slope?slippery slope?Bargahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13267934390167096150noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6128643220897267519.post-21727032792015018502009-04-30T17:09:00.000-04:002009-04-30T17:09:00.000-04:00Well I would venture to say that overpopulation is...Well I would venture to say that overpopulation is a threat to the people of Africa and of the world. So it might be in Africa's and NATO's best interest to introduce pandemic viruses to the region in order to depopulate it. <br /><br />I mean, after all... it is for the greater good. There is a serious national security risk there.JoeMcBhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15435042934200359010noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6128643220897267519.post-87283113876551673362009-04-30T09:22:00.000-04:002009-04-30T09:22:00.000-04:00if we are talking social contract read some locke ...if we are talking social contract read some locke and hobbes then come back<br /><br />that said, i have no issue with a government killing to protect her peopleBargahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13267934390167096150noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6128643220897267519.post-4494060433424636842009-04-30T01:26:00.000-04:002009-04-30T01:26:00.000-04:00So killing some people is necessary?So killing some people is necessary?Anderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05094916709895149350noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6128643220897267519.post-17751130091004847802009-04-30T01:24:00.000-04:002009-04-30T01:24:00.000-04:00"the government's main role is to protect her peop..."the government's main role is to protect her people, and killing the pirates was what was needed."<br /><br />you have used an argument for a right to defense as to include aggression. That makes no sense.Anderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05094916709895149350noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6128643220897267519.post-79986705047691518112009-04-29T12:23:00.000-04:002009-04-29T12:23:00.000-04:00So they are formed to justify the use of violence?...So they are formed to justify the use of violence?<br /><br />"are formed to protect the social good and keep us from the anarchy of human nature." is not why governments are formed. <br /><br />The state is supposed to keep us from the stateless nature of humans? But I thought the State was natural?<br /><br />The main function of the state is to guarantee the existing social relationships and their sources within a given society through centralised power and a monopoly of violence. It is there to preserve the status quo. Keep the rich rich. The politicians politicians. <br /><br />In Malatesta's words, the state is basically "the property owners' gendarme." This is because there are "two ways of oppressing men [and women]: either directly by brute force, by physical violence; or indirectly by denying them the means of life and thus reducing them to a state of surrender." The owning class, "gradually concentrating in their hands the means of production, the real sources of life, agriculture, industry, barter, etc., end up establishing their own power which, by reason of the superiority of its means . . . always ends by more or less openly subjecting the political power, which is the government, and making it into its own gendarme."<br /><br />The state, therefore, is "the political expression of the economic structure" of society and, therefore, "the representative of the people who own or control the wealth of the community and the oppressor of the people who do the work which creates the wealth." [Nicholas Walter, About Anarchism, p. 37] It is therefore no exaggeration to say that the state is the extractive apparatus of society's parasites.<br /><br />The state ensures the exploitative privileges of its ruling elite by protecting certain economic monopolies from which its members derive their wealth.<br /><br />Saying the fictional ideal of nation is enough to justify the taking of another persons life seems pretty silly to me.Anderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05094916709895149350noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6128643220897267519.post-36458084238870641332009-04-29T10:03:00.000-04:002009-04-29T10:03:00.000-04:00Why are governments formed? They are formed to pro...Why are governments formed? They are formed to protect the social good and keep us from the anarchy of human nature. That said, the government's main role is to protect her people, and killing the pirates was what was needed.Bargahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13267934390167096150noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6128643220897267519.post-91697355737954808102009-04-28T20:31:00.000-04:002009-04-28T20:31:00.000-04:00So you believe that there is a circumstance in whi...So you believe that there is a circumstance in which killing someone is acceptable. In this case based on simply where someone happened to be born. So U.S. citizens are more valuable in keeping alive?Anderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05094916709895149350noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6128643220897267519.post-63734630898718590202009-04-28T18:53:00.000-04:002009-04-28T18:53:00.000-04:00i DO not think that shooting is correct, but in th...i DO not think that shooting is correct, but in this case they needed to protect the US citizenBargahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13267934390167096150noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6128643220897267519.post-698450498140876512009-04-28T12:57:00.000-04:002009-04-28T12:57:00.000-04:00So it sounds like there was a conflict of interest...So it sounds like there was a conflict of interest, and there are any number of options to resolve that conflict and one that is apparently approved of is shooting people. We solved the problem by just ending the other peoples lives. And you don't think anything is wrong with that. "i do not think shooting them was wrong"Anderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05094916709895149350noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6128643220897267519.post-90925144168983143902009-04-28T09:14:00.000-04:002009-04-28T09:14:00.000-04:00did i say that? They thought that the capitan was ...did i say that? They thought that the capitan was in danger so they shot the piratesBargahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13267934390167096150noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6128643220897267519.post-20173034481421015392009-04-27T10:53:00.000-04:002009-04-27T10:53:00.000-04:00so you believe killing is an acceptable means of r...so you believe killing is an acceptable means of resolving a conflict?Anderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05094916709895149350noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6128643220897267519.post-58952381503400135332009-04-26T21:42:00.000-04:002009-04-26T21:42:00.000-04:00I appologize when we do wrong, i do not think shoo...I appologize when we do wrong, i do not think shooting them was wrongBargahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13267934390167096150noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6128643220897267519.post-30132661752084348692009-04-25T14:39:00.000-04:002009-04-25T14:39:00.000-04:00I don't think Columbine is at all a comparable exa...I don't think Columbine is at all a comparable example to this.Anderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05094916709895149350noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6128643220897267519.post-92213732109634992562009-04-24T04:27:00.000-04:002009-04-24T04:27:00.000-04:00then why do you apologize for what the US does wro...then why do you apologize for what the US does wrong? Killing people is the answer?Anderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05094916709895149350noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6128643220897267519.post-48017003193496603032009-04-23T09:40:00.000-04:002009-04-23T09:40:00.000-04:00It doesn't matter if we had him tethered. they poi...It doesn't matter if we had him tethered. they pointed a gun at the dudes head so we shot them, that is how SWAT works<br /><br />Ander, it doesn't matter why you do something, if it is wrong it is still wrongBargahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13267934390167096150noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6128643220897267519.post-48093705917501106282009-04-22T15:46:00.000-04:002009-04-22T15:46:00.000-04:00Sorry, No, we tethered the teenagers to the USS Ba...Sorry, No, we tethered the teenagers to the USS Bainbridge and sniped them.Anderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05094916709895149350noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6128643220897267519.post-41925846754458011332009-04-22T15:43:00.000-04:002009-04-22T15:43:00.000-04:00No, we tethered the teenagers to our
It's based ...No, we tethered the teenagers to our <br /><br />It's based on a number of articles. <br /><br /> I already mentioned that in the article. I think when I said "No, this doesn't make hostage-taking justifiable, and yes, some are clearly just gangsters."<br /><br />You don't think after 17 years of having your food stolen and water polluted you'd get a little sick of it and get a little desperate when nothing for 17 has worked yet?<br /><br />And as I mentioned there are two different groups of pirates in the region. There is the volunteer coast guard and there are the thugs out of Ethipoia.Anderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05094916709895149350noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6128643220897267519.post-90504879582004718752009-04-21T00:25:00.001-04:002009-04-21T00:25:00.001-04:00so what if their stuff was depleted, that gives th...so what if their stuff was depleted, that gives them no right to kidnapp and stealBargahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13267934390167096150noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6128643220897267519.post-8266416909449431672009-04-21T00:25:00.000-04:002009-04-21T00:25:00.000-04:00you know, was this based on a paper published abou...you know, was this based on a paper published about 5 days ago by a Iranian newsperson? Because it sounds just like itBargahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13267934390167096150noreply@blogger.com